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Mar 2, 2002, 5:29 AM

Post #1 of 8 (71965 views)
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Hello Jasmine,

It's me again Crazy, i was thinking about what PerlGuru means to me, and tried to explain it to a friend of mine a few hours ago (he said he prefer asp -- ignorant)... so my points on the discussion were those one (not about perl):

1) PerlGuru is a nice place to be, because, if i dont know how to do something, i can still ask some help.
2) On PerlGuru, if i know an easy way to solve a problem, and some one ask the question, i can help, and if it really help i feel happy.
3) Frequently, on PerlGuru, i dont know how to solve a problem, but i still fire a shell, and a "perl -de 1", find (or dont find) an answer to a particular problem, but i still LEARN something...

I enrich from all this, i mean, i go on your website and i get help/learn something...

My question is, why not adding a PerlGuru PayPal (or whatever) account for some peoples who like your website (as it has been closed) to send a donation?

For me i wouldnt care about giving $100 or a little more each years (no, really, not every month Tongue) to get the site running, you have over 700 user, if 1 user on 10 accepts, it will still help for webhosting and having a license for the forums? It's because i have a job since a few years, students will probably ignore that, and it's good that way too. (and i guess that being a non-lucrative society could help...)

You, long user of perlguru, tell me that you wont pay, let'say $10 for a year of PerlGuru? It will (in reguards to the 1/10 ratio i mentioned) bring around $700, to make this web site up and running every now and then.


Jasmine, RedRum, Mhx, and others: You really made a nice work with these forums, you need to get a reward...

(This post was edited by freddo on Mar 2, 2002, 5:42 AM)


Mar 2, 2002, 5:45 AM

Post #2 of 8 (71959 views)
Re: [freddo] Donations to PerlGuru [In reply to] Can't Post


for redrum, only if he fixes the problems i got with copy/pasting source code Sly.



Mar 2, 2002, 12:08 PM

Post #3 of 8 (71949 views)
Re: [freddo] Donations to PerlGuru [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow ... that's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said about PerlGuru, and the nicest gesture anyone's ever made. Thank you Smile

Now there's no doubt that we'd love to generate some more revenue on the Perl Archive / PerlGuru project. I was about halfway through setting up a donation account like you suggested; then I started thinking about it. Here are my thoughts:

We do have a [url=]banner advertising program that is designed to bring us some of the revenue that maintains this site. Obviously, this option is targeted toward commercial script developers and general commercial businesses who'd like to reach the Perl Archive / PerlGuru (and upcoming Perl Horizons) audience. We'd certainly encourage anyone that might benefit from either of those programs to take advantage of them.

As much as we'd love to make this project profitable (or even break-even), it was not originally conceived as a profit-making enterprise. It began really as a hobby -- because we like Perl; because we like people who like Perl; because we felt like we could meet some needs that were not currently being met by other script archives and Perl discussion forums; and because we wanted to contribute in some way to the Perl community. The idea of making money from the project really came as an afterthought when we discovered 1) that the project was expensive, and 2) there did seem to be some interest in banner advertising and other ideas.

The idea of soliciting (or even accepting unsolicited) donations from forum users does not seem to be consistent with the primary purpose of the project. PerlGuru and the Perl Archive was conceived to be a free resource to the end-user and a way to support the Perl community in general. We want it to remain absolutely free for that community. I think the idea of soliciting or accepting donations might give the impression that the resource is not "absolutely" free.

Your offer is extraordinarily generous and very much appreciated, as are your comments. It just doesn't feel right for us to accept donations, though. We'd rather suggest that you support the general Perl community and Perl development by making your donations to the [url=]Perl Development Fund, either in your name or in the name of the Perl Archive / PerlGuru. That way you end up supporting the principles and purposes behind PerlGuru in what's really a more meaningful way.

Thank you again for your comments and generosity.

James and Jasmine,
Site Maintainers


Mar 2, 2002, 2:14 PM

Post #4 of 8 (71946 views)
Re: [Jasmine] Donations to PerlGuru [In reply to] Can't Post

....and directing users to the perl development fund is just as admirable as freddo's post. Angelic


Mar 3, 2002, 12:50 PM

Post #5 of 8 (71936 views)
Re: [Jasmine] Donations to PerlGuru [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
It just doesn't feel right for us to accept donations, though

I can understand and respect that.

There are some other throughs or ideas, you might want to take a look at.

I know most peope have problems with "just" accepting money (even me). It's a common issue for things that are considered public and/or free

You don't have to see this donation as a commercial thing.
You might see it as a fee of your investment, your trouble and time...
and not as "making money out of perlguru"

Internet is free and for everyone, but should that also mean you're putting all your energy in this, without getting something back?

Giving a donation is a free choice of every individual, and you may choose to accept this kindness. Don't feel embarassed. You deserve itSmile

Yet Another Perl Programmer

~~> [url=] <~~
More then 3500 X-Forum [url=]Downloads! Cool

(This post was edited by yapp on Mar 3, 2002, 12:51 PM)


Mar 5, 2002, 6:46 PM

Post #6 of 8 (71921 views)
Re: [yapp] Donations to PerlGuru [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree, perlguru is a great source of information for beginners and advanced programmers. If i actually had money i would contribute but i poor lolTongue. But seriously this is a site worth of such donations and you(Jasmine and helpers) are deserving of it. I see your point in that you want to be a "free" site and you dont really want to accept money from others(i have the same problem) but when you dedicate so much of your time and brain power to helping others, you really need to be rewarded. This is one of the few sites I actually enjoy to go to, its in the elite group of sites i visit, i was so bored when Perlguru was down.

Anyways my little rant on the matter.

P.S. lol i wish my site was elite, 3/4 of the hits to my site is by me.


Jun 24, 2002, 6:27 AM

Post #7 of 8 (71887 views)
Re: [Jasmine] Donations to PerlGuru [In reply to] Can't Post

FIrst of all I believe no one would mind you getting a little of your expenses back - and I'm sure you wouldn't get more than you've invested :-(

I think I've "said" it once or twice, but I'll "say" it again - PerlGuru is a great place to be and you (the maintainers) are to "blame" ;-)
So, THANK YOU Jasmine & Co.

I wanted to remind you of one suggestion (I'm not sure who's suggested it in the first place) to sell some T-shirts with the PerlGuru logo or something similar. That would probably prove a pain ... , but personally I would buy a shirt or two Wink

Jean Spector
SQA Engineer @ Exanet

There are only 10 types of people in the world -
Those who understand binary, and those who don't.


Jul 12, 2002, 12:24 AM

Post #8 of 8 (71859 views)
Re: [freddo] Donations to PerlGuru [In reply to] Can't Post

First, to everyone who posted and replied to this thread, we offer a whole-hearted thank you.

We still feel the same way. Currently, we stand firm that we will not accept donations for our own gain simply for being a place where like-minded people try to learn from each other. While it would be nice if this project weren't consistently in the red, we prefer to receive funding from people who make money from their programs or other ventures via advertising on our site.

If you still wish to donate to perlguru, please support the ideaology that inspired perlguru and decide to support perl, its development and its community. Please continue to help each other and continue to learn and advocate perl (nicely) to ensure its future.

You can also easily support this site by [url=]supporting perl. After all, without perl, PerlGuru wouldn't exist.

As before, we suggest donating instead to the [url=]Perl Foundation, which is a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization that is "dedicated to the advancement of the Perl programming language through open discussion, collaboration, design, and code".

They are currently having a fundraiser to support the efforts of Larry Wall (founder and "guardian angel" of perl), Dr. Damian Conway (evil genius of perl and perl 6) and Dan Sugalski (internals designer for Parrot, the interpreter engine for Perl 6) for perl and the future development of Perl.

If there are still people who wish to donate directly to perlguru, we will accept it... and take any donations to perlguru and donate them to the [url=]Perl Foundation. Not only that, but [url=]we'll match your donation 50% up to a US$2,500 total in matching donations.

You can make a credit card contribution directly to the [url=]Perl Foundation here or by emailing []Kurt De Maagd.

To donate by check directly to the [url=]Perl Foundation, please make your checks payable to "The Perl Foundation" and send them to:

The Perl Foundation
170 College Avenue, Suite 230
Holland, Michigan
USA 49423
or, to give them more by means of our 50% matching, please make your checks payable to 'the Perl Foundation" and send them to:

Creative Fundamentals, Inc.
ATTN: Perl Development Fund Matches
P.O. Box 1027
Fayetteville, AR 72702-1027
We will not cash your check -- we'll forward it, along with our 50% match, to the [url=]Perl Foundation. Any denomination will help, and we will thank all donators on a special page on our site.

Again, we thank everyone who feels enough camaraderie here to warrant suggesting donations.

And I know that there will be some people who would prefer that donations helped maintain the site. But for them I have only one thing to say ... [url=]my company maintains the cost of the site; [url=]perl provides the need for the site; and the [url=]Perl Foundation ensures the future of the site.

Nuff said... Smile

Thanks again... everyone,

(This post was edited by Jasmine on Jul 12, 2002, 12:38 AM)


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